THE ROBERT W. WHITAKER ARCHIVE

MARK | 2007-06-06

"In the end, failing to deal effectively with the Hamilton crowd led to Lincoln's War, the loss of freedom, and the death of the old republic."

Peter, would you expand on this? I've never run across this line of reasoning before (I went to public school).

ME:

This entry does not let Peter out of making his own reply, because this is an important subject.

Sam Dickson, as usual, delivered a brilliant speech at the Council of Conservative Citizens. One of his major points was that Lincoln was elected by people who had no roots here. He talked about some of Lincoln's hate speeches in Chicago during the Lincoln-Douglas Debates when he appealed to German immigrants by saying he hated the established American Anglos who looked down on the new Germans, just as he, a poor boy from Kentucky, did.

Sam talked about the immigrants who had come to the United States, not to ***A*** state, and who thought this states rights business was absurd. To them America was a foreign country they had come to, and all they knew about it was the words it used. Their ROOTS were back in Europe. Their family did not have any roots in any particular state.

Hamilton was another resentful man who arrived in America from the West Indies in 1773. To him, America was an instrument he felt could be used to reach High Ideals. He wanted to use it to build a big standing army and a continental power. He was obsessed by America's Principles, its WORDS.

In the Civil War, Lincoln's and Hamilton's Wordism won out over Jefferson's and Jefferson Davis' IDENTITY with America as a people and a race.

COMMENTS (11)

#1 Simmons | 2007-06-06 08:56

Still how large shall our ethnic idendity be? I've always thought a Pan-Racial idendity a bit much too ask for, but then again I'm half Scots-Irish and prone to that little bit of provincialism.

#2 Dave | 2007-06-06 11:54

There is such power in the phrase "failure to deal effectively". Wordism is such a seductress!

It is a trafficker in human weakness that provides such neat outs for real acts of courage and character.

People these days have no idea of the reality of the Civil War and how hordes of illiterate farm boys were drawn into it by cynical and manipulating careerist officers with the worst of military industrial complex type of branded motives.

The worst of Jew trickery and deceit of our time has nothing over the trickery and deceit of that time. History has never recorded the fact that the soldier victims of that whole trajectory who survived it were left bitterly unhappy campers in the aftermath, aware too late of the deceit that was played upon them.

But like the Greatest Generation of WWII paper hat saluters, the Civil War left an unending supply of "never saw combat" combat veterans who demanded to be treated as heroes with full benefits. They wrote the book on the "you owe me" politics of the war veteran industry.

Few alive today barely understand the truth of it, which leads us back the great seductress "Wordism" with its ongoing and never ending success in trafficking in human weakness.

#3 shari | 2007-06-06 12:42

How in the world can " Wordism" always be dealt with effectively? It's always been with us and will take someone stronger than we to finally put it down.

#4 Pain | 2007-06-06 16:49

Bob-

Before I answer Mark, I wanted to address What you said about Dickson. We should be wary of warring white ethnicities. The position that might here be represented by Dickson is very dangerous and in fact misleading.

You already have commented on how that the conservatives have been sidetracked by Irish Roman Catholics who are loyal to their religious organization first and then to the race only as necessary.

What they are NOT doing is placing God first in their lives; what they ARE doing is placing their own white ethnicity above you and me. This is one big reason why the loyalties of Buckley, Buchananan, and Sobran are not always reliable: they regard their Roman Catholicism as an ethnicity, feel themselves to be somewhat foreign within North America, and place themselves above other whites. It's a kind of snottiness based on feeling foreign.

Our solution has always been to say, "You are white just like the rest of us," but they are holding back.

If I undestand you, Bob, Dickson has copied some nonsense from Busbice stupidly. What Busbice was to swallow World War Hun propaganda.

The Germans, you know, were Huns that speared babies on pitchforks.

I have listened to Busbice make a speech on this, and it is clear that he is frightened of being called a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

So Busbice made up a pseudo-history that Midwesterners are all Germans descended from 1848 German Marxist Socialists. To do this, he had to redefine "1848ers" as to a man Socialists, and redefine nineteenth-century socialists as to a man Marxists. Then he declared that everyone with a German last name in the Midwest was a Marxist, and exaggerated the numbers of Germans in the Midwest to sound like everyone there is a to a man German.

That way, Busbice can say that he is not a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews because he is not a Midwesterner, but rather is a Southerner, and as we know Southerners are all Keltickes, and if you pronounce Celt as it is spelled, then you are not in the "in" group.*

The white ethnic lies is dangerous not only because it is a house of lies, but because it splits whites into a host of warring ethnicities and it denies us all of our identity.

The reality is this:

(1) Pick up a phonebook or classroom roll-book anywhere, and you will see an overwhelming number of English names. Most people do not know their own family trees at all, but if they did they would find they were English.

(2) Germans and English are not only the same race, but the same tribe. Englishmen are German boat people. Englishmen and most all German descendants in the USA share even the same brand of Christianity. English and German both descend from the proto-German<b>ic</b> language. Englishmen and Germans are Teutons. So if you don't know your family tree exactly, it doesn't matter. We're all the same.

(3) Englishmen, Germans, and the so-called "Celts" are not only the same race, but the same sub-race: Nordic. In fact, it is unclear just exactly who a "Celt" was. The best that we can say is that Celts were the first wave of Nordics into the British Isles, and the Germanic people were the second wave that KEPT the British Isles Nordic. In fact today, if you picked a random Scotchman, Welshman, or Irishman, he may well have more Germanic ancestors than a random Englishman. In any case, they are all Nordic based.

In the USA, unless you are a PURE caucasoid ethnic such as Sicilian, it is a safe bet that you are English -- but don't know it. You also probably have many German and Irish ancestors, each of which was white and Nordic as well.

We are all the same race, all the same tribe.

Don't let oddballs divide us because they are afraid of being called a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

*<small>(The oddballs who believe that <u>Southerner = kelticke</u> and <u>Midwesterner = German-Marxist</u> forget that Southerners have ALWAYS called themselves the true Anglo-Saxons, including the Scotch-Irish. Alongside were the numerous Germans in the South -- of Shenandoah, Walhalla, the Dutch Corners, old Jamestowne...)</small>

#5 Pain | 2007-06-06 17:49

Hey Mark,

The problem is that the people who take the swords at Yorktown shouldn't. The war is won by the guerillas, and the ones who win it are the leaders. Give credit where credit is due or face trouble later.

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If the enemy was the British, it may make sense to send those who have been working closely with them "to take the swords." But that says wrongly that these people -- and not the guerillas -- won the war.

Before American independence, the group that became the Hamiltonians were half-Tories. They were half-respectable and did not fully support independence until late in the game. They had some connections and they were able to bring ideas of independence past the radicals into the mainstream.

But if they were not full revolutionaries before the war, they were not full revolutionaries after it either.

They had other intentions.

The Jeffersonians were the real revolutionaries, and acknowledged as the true guerillas, they held power in the old republic for the next 80 years.

The Hamiltonians were the aides-de-camp, the people who occupied the "IMPORTANT" POSITIONS during the war. The "swords of battle" were surrendered to them and so they were treated with respect for those same 80 years.

Until their other intentions hatched in 1861.

#6 Mark | 2007-06-07 09:15

Bob and Peter,

Thank you for your posts on the subject I asked about. I learned more in your 2 or 3 posts than I ever did from 12 years of government public schooling and some equally braindead college.

Here in MIssouri during the War of Northern Aggression, Lincoln brought in thousands of Germans as soldiers to put down a state wide rebelllion that hadn't happened. Lincoln ordered our governor to send troops into Tennessee and Arkansas and Gov. Jackson refused on Constitutional grounds. So Lincoln invaded Missouri for not following his orders. Many of the German soldiers here were former Marxists fresh from Germany. Lincoln hismelf was in contact with Karl Marx and also a rabid supporter of Marxism.

We have a local hero named Sam Hildebrand who's family was murdered by Union forces. He was pro Union prior to the war, and as a result of Lincoln's goons he quickly became a Confederate. His exploits were similar to Bloody Bill Anderson and Quantrill but since he did his bushwhacking alone he never received equal press. His most hated enemy were Germans, and if given the chance he would kill a German over any other Unionist.

This puts me in an interesting position because my great grandfather was a German Union corporal and his family tree stops with him, so I'm supposing he was one of those damned Marxist Germans. Which means, if the South had won the war you all wouldn't have the pleasure (or misfortune) of listening to me ramble on every so often.

#7 Dave | 2007-06-07 13:43

Pain,

Very little can really be known about our racial history, but there are certain things that are very basic.

All races have racial nobility (the conquerors). In the white race, that is the Nordics. And you are correct, pure blood Celts and the Nordics are one and the same, the Celtic peoples being a different branch of the Nordic race.

But Nordics are not indigenous to Northern Europe, the Germanics are. The Germanic peoples simply appeared after the last ice age. They are the indigenous whites of Northern Europe and like indigenous people everywhere they were of a short stocky build. Some of them had a tendency towards red hair or dark even black hair, unlike the Nordics who were of a much taller, blonder, and of a more refined build.

Red is a Germanic trait, not a Celtic trait as is commonly assumed.

The Anglo Saxons, like most of the Dutch and Danes (loosely the same racial stock), are half-breeds, half-Germanic and half-Nordic, the Slavic and Southern branch of the white race are a different subject.

The English nobility (Nordics) look down upon the Scots, the Welsh, and the Irish (England's so-called Celtic fringe) for a reason, for the same reason we look down upon Native Americans as indigenous inferiors.

Why do you think Hitler spent so much time flattering the Prussian nobility? The Prussian nobility are Nordic and Hitler was a Germanic and understood his racial inferiority in the pecking order.

This pecking order is still very much intact, and underlies more of what is really going on than many suppose. For example, Political Correctness has done nothing to dampen the extreme racial sensitivity of the English nobility (Nordics).

That's why Tony Blair has no problem at all publicly denouncing the Scots, Welsh, and Irish as a "bunch of wankers" (Germanic/Celtic half breeds).

His rich Nordic cousins all agree (i.e., George Bush and Ted Kennedy are both racial Nordics and agree with Tony Blair in these matters as racial kin mostly do).

#8 Pain | 2007-06-07 19:34

Almost all those "Marxist Germans" weren't Germans but <i>Jews.</i> The Germans were happy to see them go.

#9 Mark | 2007-06-07 22:46

Peter,

Are you saying I'm a Jew? Good lord man -- bite your tongue!!

#10 BoardAd | 2007-06-07 23:03

Please don't let this degenerate into another Stormfront game of "name the jew".

#11 Mark | 2007-06-08 07:45

I was poking fun at Peter and he knows it. Nothing to worry about my friend.