Someone sent me a thread he had going on Stormfront and said I might agree with part of it. I THOUGHT I approved it.
After running through the spam and approving real comments, I settled back to read the thread, and now I can't FIND it. I may have accidentally hit the spam button.
Please send it again.
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I was thinking today about the importance of staying on the attack in debate. It is much more effective to say what the other side is doing wrong than try to defend yourself (although for true communication, you must do both). It's even more effective when you attack your opponent for doing exactly what he accuses you of doing, for example, "hating." I would say this is Bob's strategy - impress nad astound the crowd by demonstrating that what they have been presented with as fact is actually inverted - flipped on it's head.
In a related topic, there are people in our community who spend much of their intellectual energy trying to debunk or create doubt on the issue of the Holocaust. The blowback they face from organized Jewry, philo-Semites and European legal systems are tantamount to the charge of religious heresy, as Bob points out. While familiarizing myself with this conflict, I found the rhetoric oddly similar to that of the Internet atheist community. They argue about the existence of God, bash Christianity mericlessly and some hardline atheists even go so far as to say they can disprove the existence of God. Ironically, organized atheists have developed their own quasi-religion.
Getting back to the subject -- the revionists and deniers write and write and argue and argue. It should be obvious to most that they write because they are politically motivated. The Holocaust has destroyed nationalism in the West and the revisionists are trying to pave the way for its revival. And in all likelihood the Jewish Holocaust probably did happen, though perhaps not according to the Hollywood tune that tells us of massive Steven Spielberg fantasy ovens and the wicked SS men who toss babies out of windows in Jewish ghettos. In any case, how could you even pretend that you can undo the psychic conditioning that has taken place by Hollywood and the media? That's why I see the best position to take on the Holocaust is something short and sweet like Bob's "If they put you in jail for saying something didn't happen, it probably didn't happen" or the irreverent, and downright blasphemous statement, "The Holocaust is boring. Let's talk about something else."
It certainly doesn't help to use the self-reinforcing term "Holocaust" when debating what should be called the "extermination theory." Or just take it from the people who have been there and done that: You only get so far arguing the Holocaust. You must offer something of substance.
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Pain never attack the halocaust, I mean never ever to that, forget about exposing there lies as lies. This is what the Jew want, its their feel sorry for me, you nazi bastard, this is their bread and butter. Always give a polite and factual alturnative to their verson, never argue in public with them, be nice, remember the jews have been playing this racket for 70 years. Try not to say Jew, jewish prisoners and non Jewish prisoners. Remember, olny Jews suffered in WW2, ask any Jew. Somehow at work the nazis and the jews came up so I feed alittle bait, just alittle. I said that halocaust truth is all based on witnesses who seen the killings, weird how the Germans left so mant witnesses, but heck, I once believe in the tooth fairy so anything is possible. The look of total disbelief on their faces, I kinda denied the great lie. My point, these nuckelheads were shocked by my doppy comment, you must go easy, be gentle, this is like telling a 6 year old santa is make believe.
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Its late here I am typing by mointor light, sorry about the errors in that last comment.
WESTERN EUROPE has laws in place banning any speech and writings that conflict with "offical" halocaust history. Imprisonment and heavy finds are common place today, there is "No" defense against a halocaust denial charge, its offical or shall I say, Zionisnt inspected and 100 percent goverment and media approved. Now the big question, why the hell does such a famous and factual event like the halocaust require dreadfull laws designed to punish all who descent. Actaully these laws have two benefits, Zionist keep the money making get down on your knees goyien racket going and the democracies our greatest generation left in europe can use hate laws vaguely to silence there opponents. These Laws have sweet names but they are just fronts for crooked ass bastards who need armer thugs in costumes and laws preventing any alternatives to the leftist, weirdo, fag marriage, multicultrial, mongrelization program, fuck the crusades let mahammod in here, screwed up europe of today. And some of these greatest generation assholes fought to enable this, only a zionist would say that, they are really sick.
Here's Ahmadinejad being interviewed on the subject by Brian Williams:
"Ahmadinejad: In the Second World War, over 60 million people lost their lives. They were all human beings. Why is it that only a select group of those who were killed have become so prominent and important?
Williams: Because of the difference humankind draws between warfare and genocide.
Ahmadinejad: Do you think that the 60 million who lost their lives were all at the result of warfare alone? There were 2 million that were part of the military at the time -- perhaps altogether 58 million civilians with no roles in the war -- Christians, Muslims, they were all killed. If this event happened, and if it is a historical event, then we should allow everyone to research it and study it. The more research and studies are done, the more we can become aware of the realities that happened. Historical events are always subject to revisions, and reviews and studies.
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The question after this one is another one about the six million (there's that number again) Jews.
This is not normal to me -- this seems to be bordering on necrophilia. I wonder what would happen if researchers had free rights to conduct tests at Auschwitz. The Holocaust deniers would scrape brick off walls of buildings and rejoice at how the test results show no Zyklon B residue. The Holocaust promoters would dig up the surrounding areas and scream in excitement, "We've struck bone!"
I agree with you that even saying 'Jew' elicits an almost Pavlovian response, filling the head with images of a pit of emaciated corpses. People who speak and write should be careful about how every word will be interpreted. There is a linguist, George Lakoff, who explains how this works for those on the liberal, progressive side. For example, when criticizing the Republican's environmental program, don't say "I'm against the Clean Skies Act." Instead, call it the "Dirty Skies Act." Don't say "I'm against No Child Left Behind." You say, "I'm against Every Child Left Behind."
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The Holocaust was WWII: the deaths of 250,000,000 Gentiles. About the safest place to be in Europe during the Holocaust was in a displaced person's (DP) camp far away from the targets of the terror-bombing. This is so even after factoring in the typhus epidemics brought in among Jewish civilians fleeing the Red Army from the east. The revising historians have done well producing a rock-solid history of that terror-war.
If there were leaky holes in their research, there would be no need to <i>jail</i> them.
These historians have well-sourced websites all over the internet. However the very best are so thoroughly referenced and carefully explained that they can make tough reading.