THE ROBERT W. WHITAKER ARCHIVE

Well, sent this, with the question, What will the world look like without any white countries and no healthy white race?

Okay...

Bob,

Which are you?

A Babtist...

Or a white man?

Hillary Clinton is a righteous protestant.

Dr. William Pierce was not.

You may question my inclusion of Hillary Clinton as the role model of a modern righteous protestant but I would argue that in reality Hillary is way too old fashioned.

Hillary expected social justice for the savages within the borders of the U.S.

Nowadays, most protestants dream of all white people sacrificing themselves and their children to benefit savages worldwide.

All of God's children or what ever.

Either your definition of God or the identity of his children is seriously deficient.

Honestly, I'd like to retain some loyalty to western civilization and task Bible scholars and other such experts with some sort of reason to show that that what God defines as a man as Adam in Genesis isn't related to savage negro hairless primates in sub-Saharan Africa.

But if your God sees heaven as me and Tyrone and Tyesha together as kindred spirits along with

marching looting king in some sort of warm and fuzzy millenial "group hug", I'd rather rot.

If God want's me to be one with the savage, then I have been worshipping the wrong God. And those who have been promoting that God are My ENEMIES.

The Greeks never worshipped niggers.

Neither did my Germanic ancestors.

Any white man who instills in his children modern Christianity is a race traitor.

In this country conservatives are worried about illegal immigration.

The real danger is legal immigration.

While idiots worry about illegal Mexicans brought here to serve various business interests, scores of Christians are fighting tooth and nail to bring whole tribes of savages into our country LEGALLY.

And they are successful.

While businessmen are importing Amerindians from Mexico back into the continental U.S.A.,the Christians are importing savages from sub-saharan Africa in even greater numbers.

General Motors wants Mexicans.

Babtists want Somalians.

You all make me SICK.

in reply to mrpelding:

You missed addressing the issue directly, but that's ok.

I'm beginning to see White Nationalism much more clearly than before, and this is as useful a starting ground as any to place some people, and some issues, in some context.

you wrote:

<blockquote cite="">Okay...

Bob,

Which are you?

A Babtist...

Or a white man?

Hillary Clinton is a righteous protestant.

Dr. William Pierce was not.</blockquote>

in reply:

That's about half of the problem right there.

Pierce tried to define a religion - Cosmotheism - which certainly never had a chance of having the IRS certify it as a 501 (c)(3).

To his credit, Pierce thought big; sadly, he did not think big enough, along the lines of Harold Covington, for example.

Pierce tried to operate in a system that was pretty much devoted to our eradication as a Race.

If his talented associate, Kevin Alfred Strom, had not been burdened by attempting to fulfill inappropriate duties within the context of inappropriate relationships, Kevin Alfred Strom could have put "Cosmothesism" on a much sounder Racial footing, merging a Nietzschean dynamism with a truly Christian ethos - NOT a JUDEO-Christian ethos, but a true Christian ethos.

Kevin Alfred Strom saw out true Home as being "Among The Stars," a Dream worthy of Pierce at his finest.

Yet, in large part, that is what is wrong with what White nationalism has become - the Heirs of Pierce - VNN's Alex Linder, Kevin Alfred Strom, various others - have made the same error as Pierce - they set their sights too low.

Whitaker has it right - the unique spiritual properties of our Race, manifesting as Creative Entities - and Covington has it right - our own Racial Homeland, in our own Country.

Most everyone else, except for Bill White, moans and complains about issues over which they have chosen to have no effect whatsoever.

This is why I am hopeful Kevin Alfred Strom returns to doing good work for our Race.

you wrote:

<blockquote cite=""> You may question my inclusion of Hillary Clinton as the role model of a modern righteous protestant but I would argue that in reality Hillary is way too old fashioned.

Hillary expected social justice for the savages within the borders of the U.S.

Nowadays, most protestants dream of all white people sacrificing themselves and their children to benefit savages worldwide.

All of God's children or what ever.

Either your definition of God or the identity of his children is seriously deficient.</blockquote>

in reply:

To the extent that any religion works, that religion is Christianity, stripped of the Institutional framework that dooms it to being another temporal control system.

There are those who have done what the great archaeologists and philologists of NSDAP Germany did, and have redone the Bible with all of the Judaism stripped out.

It's called "The Anointed Standard Version," and it's available from the fine people at christianseparatist dot org.

Now, if Pierce had STARTED with this, and built a Church with an Inner Priesthood of Cosmotheists, well, he might have built something that outlived him.

But, let's not blame Pierce for our shortcomings.

Let's try to do what I hope Kevin Alfred Strom will do - let's do BETTER.

you wrote:

<blockquote cite=""> Honestly, I'd like to retain some loyalty to western civilization and task Bible scholars and other such experts with some sort of reason to show that that what God defines as a man as Adam in Genesis isn't related to savage negro hairless primates in sub-Saharan Africa.

But if your God sees heaven as me and Tyrone and Tyesha together as kindred spirits along with

marching looting king in some sort of warm and fuzzy millenial "group hug", I'd rather rot.

If God want's me to be one with the savage, then I have been worshipping the wrong God. And those who have been promoting that God are My ENEMIES.</blockquote>

in reply:

Already been done.

See the Christian Separatist website listed above.

you wrote:

The Greeks never worshipped niggers.

Neither did my Germanic ancestors.

Any white man who instills in his children modern Christianity is a race traitor.

in reply:

Good points, and true, as well.

In time, I suspect the phrase "Race Traitor" will acquire easily understood meaning.

you wrote:

<blockquote cite="">In this country conservatives are worried about illegal immigration.

The real danger is legal immigration.

While idiots worry about illegal Mexicans brought here to serve various business interests, scores of Christians are fighting tooth and nail to bring whole tribes of savages into our country LEGALLY.

And they are successful.

While businessmen are importing Amerindians from Mexico back into the continental U.S.A.,the Christians are importing savages from sub-saharan Africa in even greater numbers.

General Motors wants Mexicans.

Babtists want Somalians.</blockquote>

in reply:

Most (nominal) Christians are JUDEO-Christians, which, of course, is not Christian, at all, save in Word, alone.

This is a measure of how far their nominal religion works contrary to the true Purposes and Practices of their religion, Christianity.

Again, simply go to the Christian Separatist website.

Think of how much Brigham Young accomplished with his little Christian sect, literally turning the desert into "Our Beloved Deseret" - a Nation on the American Continent.

you wrote:

<blockquote cite="">You all make me SICK.</blockquote>

in reply:

Well, you should try to DO what we are trying to Do, and that is to identify what is wrong, and make it better - not "TRY to make it better," but actually make it BETTER.

All we can do is start where we are.

Think of what so many of Pierce's followers could have done, if they had tried to Do Better, with a ruthless sense of intellectual honesty and moral courage.

Bob Mathews would probably be getting ready to take over Larry Craig's job, right about now.

David Lane might well have formed a small spiritual community, uniting the power of our pagan forbearers with a newly revitalized Christianity, as well as being Mayor of a White Community.

Kwvin Alfred Strom might yet help lead us back "To The Stars."

Of all of them, Kevin Alfred Strom has nothing, and nothing to lose, in finding a new Life for himself as a selfless Servant of our Race.

And, with that comment, I will tie it back to Bob Whitaker's basic thesis - when we can choose to be closest to God, we choose to cloest to our own Racial Brethren.

This Is Not By Accident.

More to follow.

Shari,

The only thing that stops healthy whites from having pure nations again are PC whites.

The best cure for PC whites is direct and prolonged contact with non-whites. Ironically, PC whites work tirelessly to cure their own PC nature, even though they don't know it. And thanks to the collapsing economy, they can no longer afforf to flee from all the wonderful third worlders that they're demanding be let into our countries.

Some 'Western' nations may break up a bit in the near future into white and brown parts, but I see the future for healthy whites to be bright. With much fewer PC whites around, healthy whites can then have their own groups, regions, and nations again.

Following up to mrpelding:

In point of fact, there have been several Americas, and several "Christianities" - and an absence of Christianity - in those Americas.

Movement Past, as I like to call it, missed so much by adopting the Forms of past Western greatness, but lacking the Substance that allowed them to BE great, in that particular Form of Western Civilization.

From, say, the Pilgrims (explicitly Christian) and Jamestown (nominally Christian, explicitly mercantile) to the Articles of Confederation, one America.

From the Articles of Confederation to the 14th Amendement Constitution (citizenship vested in the State), another America, with different economic, political and cultural structures.

From the 14th Amendment Constitution to the Revolution of 1933 - all power beginning to vest in the State, with checks and balances becoming weaker in time, yet another America.

And, from the Revolution of 1933 to the Era of the Patriot Act, all power now vesting in the Sovereign, with checks and balances all but neutralized, yet another America.

The common element following the Revolution of 1933 is how the United States of America became a colony of Applied Judaism. After all, didn't Brandeis say, "The Constitution means what WE say it means." Think he was speaking as a Justice of the Supreme Court, or, as a Judaic who controlled the Supreme Court?

When did the meme that "We are a nation of laws, and not men," come into being, and how was it so skillfully disseminated?

I mention the various Americas to make a point mrpelding seems to miss - CONservatives have always been CON men, as their elegant arguments are really reduced to "More for me, and the rest of you are on your own. Keep the Game, and its Rules, exactly where they are."

Simple as that, and THAT is why CONservatism and Judaism go so perfectly well together.

And THAT is why you, mrpelding, are wasting your time trying to argue with CONservatives, who only wish for nothing to change, save that they always get a little bit more, and we always get a little bit less, and sometimes, a LOT less.

If the Government chooses to integrate - forcibly, directly, with armed troops if necessary - they will do it, as long it is against the White Race.

Notice you never see them integrating the Mestizos with the Africans in America.

ALL must be "integrated" with the White Race, at all places, at all times.

THIS is what "America" has become, in large part; the Nation that our Ancestors Created, and Formed, is being perverted into a Judaic social order, just like the Former Soviet Union.

Solzhenitsyn realized the depths of this war.

I suspect the White Race retreated from housing integration, moving five miles further past the Interstate every ten years; past the Interstate, and public transportation.

The ONLY place they can unite as a Race safely is when they are closest to God, collectively.

God is not bound by the Forms of any particular religion to make His points; indeed, He Creates a new religion for each unique Soul Group to develop in.

Only the Western Soul can accept Christianity, and make it the Religion of the Race of Achievement.

To turn the discussion full circle to mrpelding's issue, CONservatives, note that they are the first to adopt the Forms of Christianity AS A SOCIAL CONTROL SYSTEM, to the exclusion of the substance of Christianity, the Way to the fulfillment of our Race's unique Creative abilities.

The turn the discussion full circle, and one step up,to the issues surrounding Kevin Alfred Strom and his possibly harnessing his talents as a selfless Servant of the Race, some issues:

Note that religions begin as cults; small groups inspired by The Founder.

I have considered White Nationalism as the manifestation of our unique Spiritual Duty to be similar to the outworking of spiritual duties that leads to the formation of a religion.

Thus, White Nationalism derives from a love of your Race at the spiritual level, and then, as an extension of love for your Family - your extended family, the Racial NATION, at a temporal level.

That is the soil that has needed lots of work to make it ready for the seeds to be planted; the rocks removed, the ph brought into balance, timing of the seasons for the planting, and careful nurturing until the harvest.

"Family Is The Foundation Of The Nation."

And Family is the One Institution that has been under thorough assault from the Judaics, with the tacit support of their CONservative allies, in the name of their temporal economic religion of "free markets."

The place to begin rebuilding Families is with Church-based Initiatives; home schooling takes first place, and other Community-building Initiatives are developing at an organic rate.

More and more families are developing "Victory Gardens," as they can not afford the standard of living they had only two years ago.

The local churches - at least, the megachurches my Nephews have been attending - have been sponsoring such Initiatives.

Local self-sufficiency, first, in education - which accounts for the lion's share of the local budgets - and now, in food.

From such acorns do might oaks - and nations - grow.

And that returns us, yet again, to William Luther Pierce, and Kevin Alfred Strom.

Pierce carried White Nationalism - and I am the first to acknowledge all of the Great Things he did - to the cult level.

It did not move beyond that, either as a spiritual Institution, or, and this is particularly telling, as a political organization.

Just as well - Pierce realized that a Vanguard of "one to three percent" was all he needed; three percent would let him match the Jews one-for-one, and then some, by the way.

"Cosmotheism" notwithstanding, the proper religion for Pierce was there all along; Christianity, with the Christian Separatist focus.

THIS would have given his followers common ground with their White Brethren in their common spiritual ground, and their Christian social orders.

And Kevin Alfred Strom?

He can work in this Racial Framework in a most positive manner, and help us build the bridge from cult, to Community, and from there, "To The Stars."

Once there, we can all watch mrpelding's CONservatives, who really are not worth any more discussion.

"I see and hear daily, that you of the clergy preach one against another, teach, one contrary to another, inveigh11 one against another, without charity or discretion. Some be too stiff in their old mumpsimus, other be too busy and curious in their new sumpsimus. Thus, all men almost be in variety and discord, and few or none do preach, truly and sincerely, the word of God, according as they ought to do. Shall I now judge you charitable persons doing this? No, no; I cannot so do. Alas! how can the poor souls live in concord, when you, preachers, sow amongst them, in your sermons, debate and discord? Of you they look12 for light, and you bring them to darkness. Amend these crimes, I exhort you, and set forth God's word, both by true preaching, and good example-giving..." Henry VIII in Parliament, 1545.

There is a whole field of study in mental health just by ascertaining the mental state of liberals. This post by Bob does as AR does in fashion while well thought out it still assumes (though correct)we know the twisted mindset of the lunatic genocidal craving white liberal. Humbly I must submit that meeting their rage with a shriek or even our logic has its limits.

They have never been asked to explain themselves or the failures of liberalism past, nor quantify and justify their "rage" this is key. We are deprogramming a cult, but its not as if we care of the fate of its nutty associates we only want to destroy its authority by our words.

Call it the Mantra multiplier effect.

continuing, with an aside to Simmons:

If you think about it, all Institutions began as "cults."

And therein lies the problem, and some suggestions towards an outline of a range of Solutions.

To the extent the cults worked against the organic outworking of the Race's unique spiritual gifts, and temporal responsibilities, they should have been spurned.

To the extent that they became Institutions, they succeeded in redefining - in an unhealthy manner - the basic relationships between Family, Extended Family, the Nation, and finally, the Nation-State.

I wonder if the "cult" framework within which White Nationalism has grown for the last seventy years has acted as a perfect tool to focus its efforts away from any sort of effectivness, particularly past the most local of organizations.

Any organizations larger than a local fish fry has worked in a manner than all but guaranteed it did not achieve any sort of real effectiveness; certainly, it did not grow past a narrow area, in size or in purpose.

Pierce did a heroic job in extraordinarily difficult circumstances. Yet he, like Rockwell, could not attract enough "high quality people." Rockwell could have, given time.

Pierce's death left his National Alliance a mere cult, drained of funds, and bereft of value. I blame Pierce for this, in part, because he did not think in terms of effective political organization.

And that's fine, for that is the best he could have done, under the circumstances. On a personal note, I think the death of Bob Mathews hit Pierce harder than he could have imagined, and his efforts increasingly turned inward.

That was his mistake, and it is the common mistake of all cults that do not have the Vision, Drive and Initiative to fulfill a Transcendental Purpose.

Thus, my Critique of White Nationalism - Movement Past, and Movement Present - is not that its followers did not have great plans, and dreams, but that their plans and dreams were not great enough, and lacked tangible bridges to make the pictures in their Minds come to life in the world before their eyes.

mrpelding keeps harking back to the CONservatives, intent on proving them wrong, at best, and Race Traitors, at worst.

I can sum all of my responses to mrpelding's attacks on our CONservative forbears with one comment:

&gt;b&gt;All Of Which Is True, And None Of Which Matters.

Returning to the Cult of Pierce, we see a lack to think in large enough terms cost him virtually all he worked for in his life, and the sparks from his flame - Linder, Strom, Mathews, and others - suffered no less for his inability to define the outworking of the White Nationalist Spiritual Impulse - Western Civilization, and Christianity with an explicitly Racial Focus - in a manner befitting the cultural moment.

The exceptions o Bob Whitaker, with his new way of thinking, and Harold Covington, with his Northwest Republic Model, stand pretty much alone in that they accept the tremendous responsibility of an open-ended expansion path for our Race,

My Model, which is still being developed, ties into Mantra thinking, starting in the most segregated place in America, with the most voluntarily segregated day in America - Church on Sunday.

This offers an expansion path long and broad enough to easily encompass a White Peoples, and a White Nation, operating - like the Jewish Race, and the Jewish Nation - alongside of, and as a fully participating part of, the Nation-State in which we are fully participating members.

"Families - Our Nation's Foundation!"

You might be hearing that theme being expressed more and more, if you attend megachurches, today, and smaller churches, in time.

That's OUR Mantra, and it opens the door to laying the seed for Bob's Mantra.

And, a quick note regarding Kevin Alfred Strom.

Again, the Deed of Christ was, in part, transforming the greatest Evil, into the greatest Good.

It is my sincere hope that Kevin Alfred Strom focus his unique gifts on what he can uniquely accomplish as a selfless servant of the Race, and would focus his efforts on accepting the Gift that Christianity, as defined in the Christian Separatist bible, has to offer, and works on building the tools needed to insopire interest in the Dream, and the Goals along the way, so our Race can return to our true Home, as we return "To The Stars."

What is "not voluntary" is a matter of emotional interpretation.

Courage, what courage really is, is a requirement in life, not the "elective" most people perceive it to be, and courageous people find little in life that is "not voluntary".