THE ROBERT W. WHITAKER ARCHIVE

SELF-HATE? WELL, DUHH! | 2008-06-22

Secular historians agree what the greatest American theologian was Jonathan Edwards in the eighteenth century.

Here's a sample of Edwards' Puritan Wisdom:

The Eternity of Hell Torments

by Jonathan Edwards

Fourth, the sight of hell torments will exalt the happiness of the saints forever. It will not only make them more sensible of the greatness and freeness of the grace of God in their happiness, but it will really make their happiness the greater, as it will make them more sensible of their own happiness. It will give them a more lively relish of it: it will make them prize it more. When they see others, who were of the same nature and born under the same circumstances, plunged in such misery, and they so distinguished, O it will make them sensible how happy they are. A SENSE OF THE OPPOSITE MISERY, IN ALL CASES, GREATLY INCREASES THE RELISH OF ANY JOY OR PLEASURE.

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Edwards represented the Calvinist reaction to Catholicism.

The Medieval Church, by which I mean the Wordist institution that grew up using the name of Christ, had an interesting version of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." They insisted that what a truly Holy Man would do to himself was to starve, go without sleep, wear hair shirts, and effectively castrate himself.

I said EFFECTIVELY because they condemned Origen when he PHYSICALLY castrated himself to remove temptation. Such a cheap out as not allowed. You had to SUFFER the lack of sex your whole life, or God didn't get any fun out of it.

Protestants never disagreed with this. They felt this suffering was too undemocratic.

In fact, the only outrages Protestants talked about with monks was when monks DID have sex and fun.

Puritans insisted that EVERYONE should get in on the suffering.

How could a people with good, healthy Traditional values like that have ended up declaring that the highest morality consists of destroying their own race?

It had to be the Jews that did it.

COMMENTS (11)

#1 Simmons | 2008-06-22 11:20

That was basically my grandfather speaking, and he literally sounded like a modern day Puritan in his last stroke addled years, so I assume the stroke stripped away the inhibitions that kept such nonsense in check. Of course the modern Puritans keep the god thing in the background, but old yaweh still lurks out there just in case they need to play that last desperate hand.

But out of a sense of family unity I ignored the old sob, and turned it into a learning experience. And like liberalism and their church of PC, the MP's wing of PC ain't got nothing under the hood either.

One question wielded like a Sykes dagger and the edifice falls down in a wreck. Trying to answer them with esoteric Prof speak you might as well try to wrestle gators with only your teeth for a living instead.

#2 shari | 2008-06-22 11:30

This is something we need to take heed of from time to time, I think. Both, in the racial sense and personal sense. Our strenghts and virtues run very close to our weakness and faults. Self love and a strong conscience can be subverted to self-hatred. I think that pride or conceit plays a part there, too, as self-hatred is NOT humility.

#3 shari | 2008-06-22 14:10

Simmons says something I was talking to my husband just a liitle while ago. "And like liberalism and their church of PC,the MP wing,of PC ain't got nothing under the hood either." In this beautiful and sophisticated place, the whites are going big for Obama. Signs are popping up in windows, front yards the say "Change we can believe in." I said "you know they think that hick fundamentalists

are dumb, but here they are with "change you can BELIEVE in." It really is fatally weak.

#4 AFKANNow | 2008-06-23 01:35

In truth, Cromwell - political father of the Puritans - was bankrolled by Dutch Jews, and, in time, the Forms of Christianity were again perverted as part of the transformation of Christianity into JUDEO-Christianity. (Note what goes first in that formulation.)

The Destroyer always has as his goal simple perversion - the world comes from the Latin, "per vertare," meaning "to turn against."

In truth, Christianity at the Institutional level is something Christ would not recognize, and the Puritans merely replaced one perversion - what the Roman Catholic Institution has become - with another perversion, where they felt morally superior, and the suffering was proof of their superiority. They were suffering for the best of causes.

Notice something Edwards did there - he used a common hypnotic technique (using Words!) to describe horrors that were all but inevitable.

THEN, when his audience was most under his spell, he offered the Relief from the horrors he described, AND said they were available to the morally superior people who were paying to hear him speak.

In short, he made them feel morally superior, in their spiritual humility.

I suspect you can see this in the "preaching" of Pastor John Hagee on Trinity Broadcasting Network, where he describes the Hellfire those who do not support God, God's (self-proclaimed) "Chosen People," AND their temporal social order, will suffer if they don't contribute their "support" - operators are standing by! - right NOW.

The Destroyer's Dream - the neutralization of Christianity, followed by its perversion - seems to be well under way.

Christianity will have to be literally rediscovered, and reborn, as part of the foundation of the New Society.

The TRUE meaning of Christian Love - Love of God, Who is very intolerant - will also have to be recovered, and magnified, growing with the Christian Communities that will arise - MUST arise.

#5 Simmons | 2008-06-23 08:31

Critique time here. AFKAN you are making a mistake, and I do believe wasting your time like so many others. "Destroyer" is from the esoteric mommy prof on the cheap school. Jews would pay good money for such an enemy if such opposition wasn't free already.

Such opposition ends up at SF or maybe some other website on a thread where it is read by a true believer who then goes off to the "planning" thread to "plan", the two thousand year old response to the cult. The cult thrives in such an enviroment never once having been put on the spot subject to science.

I'll give one example, Kevin MacDonald author of the must read "Culture of Critique" gets jew jewed and he does his best SFer of the high brow variety tries to get lost in his esoteric smoke screen. Standard response same results game over jews win again.

MANTRA response; I would greatly appreciate Mr. Foxman's response to some questions I have for him. Now of course the questions posed must be carefully thought out and not the usual rhetorical recitals of our woes, but I would love to read or hear what the jews have to say about the limits of ethnocentrism amongst other things.

#6 Simmons | 2008-06-23 08:48

Critique time of Shari's post. I take the meaning of your post to be that the "hicks" are smarter than the rich white libs luxurating in the nimbus glow of the pet kneegrow? If so what you offered was the esoteric mommy prof on the cheap statement. True as it might be it is one intended for the true believer and hence moderately effective, good for Freekistan amongst the thousands of others to be posted today, but not the dagger like statement that cuts off careers or movements like we need.

Start by asking these rich white libs why exactly they support Obama and if they really think they are smarter than the hicks. From this we can fashion a MANTRA response.

#7 shari | 2008-06-23 14:13

Simmons, I understand. I meant that "hicks" and "libs" share, ALIKE, an unexamined belief. REALLY UNEXAMINED! Yes, I intend to ask some plain questions. This election is at least becoming a chance to mention that ultra unmentionable, OUR race.

#8 AFKANNow | 2008-06-23 18:14

in reply to Simmons:

Thanks for the constructive criticism.

In reply, I have been working with my Nephews - my Posterity - on their speeches to the Young Adult Bible Study groups at the churches.

"Destroyer" is acceptable, Old Testament, and yet broad enough that they can begin to describe the Destroyer NOT as a "personal Diety," but as a PROCESS.

In time, of course, this process will be defined using the same terms I use to define Judaism AS A PROCESS - all the while, NOT using the terms "Jews," or Judaism.

That is down the road a piece.

This will be enough to get it past any internal self-censors at the churches.

In time, I will make them much more conversant with MANTRA style thinking, and debate.

First, I have to get them used to public speaking in what I think will be the foundation of the Racial Communities of Tomorrow.

Thanks for the criticism!

#9 shari | 2008-06-24 14:52

The more I think about this, the more it really is puzzeling. Why do we fall for the self-hate,over and over? It's something that needs healed.

#10 backbaygrouch4 | 2008-06-25 07:53

One. On Puritanism and sexuality. My Scots granny insisted that the problem arose when God appointed a committee to write the laws on sex. Humans are tall and short, smart and dumb, hairy and smooth, highly sexed and indifferent, etc. Alas, only the indifferent had the time to write the rules.

Two. Simmons, "we can fashion a MANTRA response." Though this is a seminar, practical action has its place. For a few weeks it has been stirring in my mind just such a project. We have a cohort of ability. Can we put it to use? I propose a crash program to devise a mantra to counter the media's Obama idolatry. We will argue each and every clause, phrase, word and punctuation.Hone a razor. Goal: slit a candidate's throat. Time frame: one month. Chairman, our good host.

Can we make a difference? Smaller plots have succeeded. The Christus started with twelve. And He did not have the Internet.

#11 Simmons | 2008-06-25 10:44

This might be wrong or irrelavent and maybe too far down the thread for its own good, but Obama in my mind needs to be made sacrosanct in a mocking servile way (this in part is already being done). Step two; the white liberal needs to isolated and critiqued and most of all mocked for his new religion, relentlessly. Then down the road the white and jewish liberal need to be driven apart since we want to take no chance of allowing the jewish genes to screw us up. (jews are bred to believe that they will be yaweh's right hand man on Earth, they never look up, we perhaps look up too much)