THE ROBERT W. WHITAKER ARCHIVE

I did offer this info yesterday. Apparently you and Bob both missed it. That's alright, I have grown accustomed to repeating myself. All that energy wasted on you calling me anti-white and me making you look silly for avoiding the simplest of questions. Oh well.

I have not used Eurocide long enough to definitively say it is better. I don't think it would be a replacement anyhow, more like a tool to supplement white genocide. I have received my latest YouTube death threat after using it. Additionally, I am going to try it out on WN's in March to test out its effectiveness in walking them to the bigger picture, white genocide.

Yesterday you wrote that I was using an anti-white term, European American. David Duke and countless other pro-whites ALSO use it. Do you really consider Double D and me anti-white? That's a rhetorical question in case you were wondering.

"All that energy wasted on you calling me anti-white and me making you look silly for avoiding the simplest of questions. Oh well"

You mean if you hadn't started out calling Bob anti-White and not avoided a straight question, regarding that comment? :)

"I have not used Eurocide long enough to definitively say it is better. "

You were insisting it was the word yesterday. Perhaps that was just you posting angry at Bob. lol

" Do you really consider Double D and me anti-white? That's a rhetorical question in case you were wondering."

We have established the terminology is anti-White.

ANYONE that uses anti-White terminology in the real world, is doing the anti-Whites job, in the real world.

If you don't understand that simple point, you do not understand what BUGS is about.

<i>"We have established the terminology is anti-White. ANYONE that uses anti-White terminology in the real world, is doing the anti-Whites job, in the real world.</i>

Ah. At least now I understand (though I don't yet fully agree with) your using "anti-white" for bugsters who depart from standard Mantra terms. I've a ways to go before I make the transition from the kumbaya world of internal motivations to the harsh real world of actual effects. ("I didn't realize my gun was pointed at our Lieutenant, really I didn't...")

Dungeoneer carries the point further to something very important (my boldfacing):

<i>"Do anti-white trolls want to dilute our proven effective mantra material with their untested and unproven non-mantra material <b>at any time of their choosing</b> while we give our valid verdicts and then engage in debate with them about the 'real' 'workingness' of said non-mantra material?"</i>

That gives me a whole new slant on the episode months ago when another bugster and I were trying out even in swarm posts my idea of subtly appropriating the word "white" to mean "white and normal," and you and Dungeoneer and Genseric gave me such an excruciatingly hard time about it. It turned out that I was right at that point in interpreting that Bob had not forbidden the experiment, but he had certainly not clearly stated that when I began it, and I realize from what Dungeoneer just wrote that you three were right to oppose me. I've said since I was first here that keeping the Mantra from being corrupted in the years ahead is going to be a very huge challenge for us. It needs to take priority over the urge of so many of us to invent and create, even if we lose a few good things.

Nevertheless, being who I am, if Bob gives me permission when I finally get skyped and talk to him, I'm going to resume my own experiment at some point. But this time around I'll have a very different perspective on it and on criticism of it.

Genseric, re Bob's attitude, you seem to be in a situation only slightly worse than my own when I began my own experiment. Bob wrote this today re your use of "Eurocide:"

<i>"It definitely wastes time in our tiny but successful effort to make the term 'white genocide' effective."</i>

But some of his surrounding remarks seem to indicate he might <i>possibly</i> be open to your experimenting on your own and reporting the results.

Since you are so gung ho about this (and anything you're gung ho about, I have serious consideration for, despite its initial appearances), why don't you ask Bob if you might do what I did: Set up a thread here onto which you copy series of exchanges where you've tried the technique, and then Bob and the rest of us as well as you yourself can review and discuss them and see. I can't imagine that "Eurocide," except in special cases like Vale's image, is a good idea, but you've been using it and just possibly you could be right. Ask Bob if you can do it and if he says yes, let us see what you're doing exactly, as I had begun to do with my own experiment.

I think the problem is that we get bored doing the same thing over and over, and our creative impulses crave relief. And the more I think about it, the more I think that you and I both would be better advised to each forget our little experiments and turn our creative urges to finding clever ways to spread what we already have that works.

The desire to create is a strong one, but I have little confidence that I or you are likely to improve on something that Bob Whitaker has developed and tested.

That's what my head tells me, but my insides tell me to run my experiment! Saner heads take note!

"That gives me a whole new slant on the episode months ago when another bugster and I were trying out even in swarm posts my idea of subtly appropriating the word "white" to mean "white and normal," and you and Dungeoneer and Genseric gave me such an excruciatingly hard time about it. "

Your memory is bad HD.

White and normal is standard BUGS/white rabbit terminology.

"White and normal is standard BUGS/white rabbit terminology."

Of course, but "white" to mean "white and normal" is not, and that was what I was experimenting with.

No, I think I remember clearly what the issues were. Possibly you didn't understand what I was doing at the time, or possibly I'm not understanding you now.

I'm not sure it matters terribly for the purposes of this thread. My main point is that I agree (I assume you'd agree with this way of putting it?) that any departure from standard Mantra should at the least have permission from Bob as an experiment, and the exchanges using the change should then be reported on a separate thread so the results can be judged. And, our general attitude should be one of discouraging such experiments in the first place, since maintaining the Mantra uncorrupted is going to be a great challenge in the coming years.

My recollection is you and Sixgun (where`s he at nowadays he liked to post a lot here at BUGS for awhile did`nt he?) were saying to anti-whites:

"You`re not white"

which goes against "Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white"

No, I never said that to anyone. Iceknight was briefly my able partner in crime, not six gun, and we were more subtle than that. I don't know where six gun is. One of our more amazing characters in my opinion...I hope he comes back.

Well, I <i>think</i> I never said that to anyone. Possibly after the anti-white was enraged that Iceknight and I were referring to ourselves and all like us matter of factly as "we whites..blah blah.." or whatever it was we did, I'd have to check the thread here to recall,....after they were very angry, I could imagine saying that to twist it in, but I don't recall saying that. Let's not get into all that now anyway, please. Sufficient unto the day.

"let us see what you're doing exactly"

My wording should have been, "let us view the results"

Just a thought here and I have to be careful its taken the way its intended (as an honest suggestion and not a dig.)

How about we save our creative energy for designing the vehicle (finding new places, methods of spreading the mantra) instead of trying to reinvent the wheel? From what I can tell, the mantra is the wheel and that's already been invented and road tested.

jmcaul, that's the same thought I finally came to in a comment below, and I think it's the right thought. I just can't seem to get my innards in line with it.

No Vale it wasn't you. There was an argument with Cheshire on the last article.

Genocidal Union would work and Promoting White Genocide since 1951. Highlight the White Genocide part.

BTW BUGSERS this video has been featured by reddit, and the channel owner, our Weirwood is being overwhelmed and needs our comments. 35,000 views and counting!

STOP White GeNOcide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAebOPGpp0k&amp;list=FLvhmgqeYkbXUUjzWuSURHFw&amp;index=2

It was "featured by reddit" because I seeded it there when Johnny first uploaded the vid.

Post the reddit link here and in the swarm like a good BUGSer!

http://www.reddit.com/r/cringe/comments/16q5h1/stop_white_genocide/

I'm not too familiar with how reddit works. I just noticed however that this video was posted in the 'cringe' category from the get go. The description of the 'cringe' category states that whatever is posted is somehow cringeworthy. The people viewing it on that channel have already been told they are expected to cringe as a result of viewing it and the majority are apparently very obedient.

Also, I posted a reply to one person then tried posting another and got a notice that I had to wait 7 minutes to post again.

I don`t now who started that Reddit link andd placed it in cringeworthy section, I searched Reddit and that was the one I found but there is another one here:

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/169idr/this_is_apparently_a_thing_stop_white_genocide/

Hmmm... So the people that posted it at reddit, are not friendly to our cause.

At any rate, it has backfired on them in a big way. If it hits 100,000, it will appear on Youtube's front page.

It could be a tactic to dodge the censorship on the reddit front page.

It would be interesting to see what Bob thinks of that particular tactic. I know some on our side use it, but I am not so sure about it.

I don't post my links in the swarm because anti-whites use it to flag and spam out our comments. Surely, you can understand that. I do, however, post links in a Facebook group where BUGSters are active. You may or may not be a member for one reason or another.

STOP White GeNOcide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAebOPGpp0k&amp;list=FLvhmgqeYkbXUUjzWuSURHFw&amp;index=2

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Vale, you use the term genocide and made a creative picture. This is great. Genseric used "Eurocide" without any reference to White genocide or even genocide so it goes against our consistent message of White genocide. That is what ole Bob is talking about.

Bob, re: "Definitions belong in Stormfront or TOQ." why is there a link to "BUGS Glossary of terms" on THIS site?

That was me. Someone suggested it to be posted on the front page to help new BUGSers join the conversation easier.

Admittedly it is a solid idea as some of our terminology is esoteric until you read the archives.

We want people to join in as easily as possible, so if you have any ideas on how to do this better please let us know.

I prefer a link to "Are you new to Bugs Swarm" http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/topic/are-you-new-to-bugs-swarm/ over the glossary of terms although both might work . "Are you new" is very descriptive and action oriented. I would also remove the "Prometheus speaks" link because it seems outdated and unimportant. I would also feature some current hot items, like the Stop White Genocide video link and a link to whitegenocideproject.com and/or Beefcake's Bootcamp broadcasts. In fact, I would group "Are you new", the white genocide video and beefcake's broadcast to a different section "New Readers" or "Are you new to Bugs" or something like that.

Lucky for the rest of us and future readers, we aren't going to be limiting ourselves to such a narrow discussion.

What part of open systems thinking are we not comprehending here? Where is the breakdown?

Why are you throwing around buzzwords that have little connection to the point at hand?

We are not providing answers, we are providing tools.

Yes, and I gave you another tool in Eurocide just as H picked up on a few of us using anti-white terrorism. One BUGSter was even kind enough to show how it can be used.

No need to thank me or curse at me. Just use it when you need it.

Three days ago, you explicitly set out to replace white-genocide and white.

Now you are starting a PR campaign to salvage your image and your word.

I think you have lost provided the rest of the BUGSers remain sufficiently ticked off.

I have no image to salvage. Have you forgotten that I have spent more than two years publicly opposing white genocide?

You have witnessed nothing other than my figuring out how Eurocide might fit into our narrative and how BUGSters might interpret its usage or them discarding it altogether.

I never said I wanted to replace anything. I showed how if you only have one word to describe yourself, then you are lost. Sorry, but I don't make it a habit of taking a politically correct term such as WHITE and adhering to it in every scenario.

But, your perception is yours and yours alone and if you really think I give a damn about what anybody thinks about me, then fine. But, it's not what I hold true in my heart. My goal is to, as quickly, calmly and non-violently as possible, oppose and STOP white genocide on every front.

Best of luck to you!

Then I was mistaken in my assessment.

One point to mention though, I fail to see how white is politically correct. European-American is a term that sounds like it is from the mouth a Former Segregationist in the early 80's trying so desperately not to say white it makes you cringe.

In the South, white is the term that has always been in use.

If white is politically incorrect, then why does it appear on government and education system forms?

But, from now on you can count on me keeping my outrageous and moronic thoughts to myself.

BUGS is clearly not the place to make such comments.

Does open system thinking entail randomly replacing proven 100% effective material with untestesd material?

Rhetorical question.

Who's replacing terminology? I said I want to ADD it to the lft side of the equation. This is simple math folks. T-H-I-N-K

I just now sent it at 1:30 p.m. Eastern. Thank you, sir. :)

"With no reference to white genocide."

That is patently false Peter and you know it. So, the question is WHY are you misrepresenting what I wrote?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E0hYnLrn798

Nope, i am not aware since I never saw this video. Based on the last thread, I thought the purpose of using the term Eurocide was to replace the term genocide. It is confusnig...hence the need to use a consistent term like White genocide.

That's odd. I could have sworn you just said Vale's picture was "great". Doesn't seem too confusing to me that he made Eurocide WORK.

Great gifts come in small packages. Enjoy!

VERY clever.

Vale, I really like it except for the European Genocide part. I agree with another reply here, replace that with "Promoting White Genocide" and I'd probably look for ways/places to use it.

Can't be done. It's perfect.

Surely Bob and you see what happened here. At least I can hope. Have fun!

http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2013/01/14/todays-english-is-tomorrows-latin/#comments

Cheshire Cat:: "Don't you see how this "white" label serves to divorce us from our ancestors, culture and heritage?"

I`ll be reminding you of that statement regularly and posting the mantra is the mandatory point of entry for all BUGS trolls given the nature of our work.

At least since the time of Coniglio Bianco and his meltdown on BUGS

Yes, trolls can come here repeating buzz words, add diluting terminology, while refusing to post the mantra.

We had one guy doing two of those parts a while back, but thankfully his posts have ceased. As he was never able to get the hint, I assume he was banned.

You are very wrong Cheshire, BUGS has always been a group of people who agree to use a consistent message which works.

The more I think about it, the more I regret ever using the term "Eurocide" (even once) precicely because it does interfere with the idea of "White Genocide" (even if indirectly or unintentionally).

The difference between us is that I recognize and accept my error. What you are doing is no longer even an error. You are deliberately trying to get other BUGsters (who are using a consistent message effectively) to abandon it. You have moved from error into the realms of sabotage.

If you are no longer prepared to accept the consistent message, then please just walk away in peace. Nobody else here has any intention of abandoning standard BUGS terminology. You are simply wasting your time and ours.

"...And posting the mantra is the mandatory point of entry for all BUGS trolls given the nature of our work."

Are you saying you only employ trolls here?

Does the evolution of practical politics stop at the gate of BUGS? Or does it run through this joint?

Are you qualified to determine what is subversion and who is a "troll?"

Is a nurse shark more lethal than a great white?

So, you fancy yourself a shark, eh? I was here WELL before you and stayed to play while you were away. Who's "sharkier" now? And I am to adopt your label of anti-white for myself why? Because you don't agree with me? BWAHAHAH!

At least I don't do what you point out anti-whites routinely do when they begin to lose an argument, engage in name calling.

It`s only your opinion Genseric is Cheshire Cat.

The fact Genseric used Eurocide once or twice does not mean he is Cheshire Cat,

See the cartoon picture featured in this article.

<i>"It's only your opinion Genseric is Cheshire Cat."</i>

You're just saying that because I'm right! Lol!

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I just sent friends an email saying I wasn't going to post on these blogs anymore this week, and now look what you've made me do!

Why do you keep having blackouts?

Coach has NEVER required his permission to try anything. Please stop misleading the readers.

You think this is nuts? Just wait until you get some sophisticated subversion going on in here.

I about chewed my fingernails down to the cuticle when Horus put the terrorism rider on anti-white. Is Horus anti-white? LoL

Here ya go,

http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2013/01/17/does-it-work/#comment-60154

"Just wait until you get some sophisticated subversion going on in here"

http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2013/01/14/todays-english-is-tomorrows-latin/#comments

Cheshire Cat:: "Don't you see how this "white" label serves to divorce us from our ancestors, culture and heritage?"

Like I said before, the mantra is impossible to subvert, "sophisticated" or not.

All anti-whites can do is agressively promote non-working alternatives and stamp their feet and cry when we say no.

"Why do you keep having blackouts?"

Hey, you freaking @sshole, give some thought to what you're saying. You think this is some kind of child's playground where you can say any thing you wish to anyone, just insult people as you please? Were you raised in the wilderness by animals? Your bugster activities, as prodigious as they are, are just barely outpacing your effectiveness in turning potential bugsters away from this site because they don't want to be anywhere near a churl like you.

Since we're being honest with each other:

You have been a cramp on free thinking around here since you "joined" bugs. You repeatedly seek Bob's approval before trying anything unorthodox. Numerous BUGSters have pointed out this is antithetical to our mission and being on the team. Maybe you should read up on Bob's piece , "The Moron Minimimum" before you again ask, "Hey bob...uh...is this perfect?"

If all you are good at is taking cues from "those in charge", then get back in there and do something you are good at, repeating the message. We'll let you know if we get another term you can use.

Thanks for everything you do. I won't call you names because you are old or ineffective on the innovation front. It doesn't solve anything.

Put numbers to your claim or can it. How do you know you aren't turning readers away with your name calling? Is that a measure of productivity around here? Nuh-uh...

"You repeatedly seek Bob's approval before trying anything unorthodox."

Lol, that's a REAL good one, Genseric! When I tried my own experiment sometime ago, you and OB and Dungeoneer quite rightfully gave me hell for NOT having gotten Bob's approval (!), and for having (as all of you turned out to have erroneously judged!) violated what you thought he had announced.

Anyway, I unfortunately just now received an excellent piece of news 5 minutes AFTER just having taken a sleeping pill to finally catch up on some sleep, and I can barely compose a sentence right now. I will be out for I hope 6 hours or so, so the rest of you will have to figure out what if anything needs to be done with this. If I understood Horus's gentle admonition to me last time this happened, the answer is nothing. The WAshington post is rolling in the gree goo and is not to be disturbed. Anyway, I'm off to bed. Thanks for doing that first petitions, Genseric, I had had it in my mind to do it, but YOU did it. So we are collaborating...it's still your headline on the main one and I can't see any way to improve on it. I"m half asleep. Bye for now.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/01/18/petition-stop-white-genocide/

Check that out and rejoice with me, Genseric!

I'm an HD fan AND a Genseric fan... and a dungeoneer fan, OB fan, and Burzum fan, LOL. So staying out of all that...

HD... that's AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL.

Boyyyyyyyyyyyyy our memes sure seem to be picking up steam. Oh gods, I can't wait for Anti-Racist Hitler... get people talking about this to a fever pitch and then SMACK the Pink Rabbits with that new video.

LOL, maybe this really IS our time on the calendar, and I don't even believe in astrotheology &amp; Annunaki!

Great job! :-)

Congratulations HD!

Oh boy! The comments are wide open! Swarm time! :D

OB, thanks, I'm not sure about the swarming though. Isn't this a grey goo situation like I screwed up back on the Miami paper, and Horus remonstrated with me? You can see my confusion about this on the working thread today.

I wish someone could contact Horus...I just don't have it in me...I have to go to sleep...and get him to write a post on the working thread that would give some guidance.

Hell, I'll leave a message at his site, but maybe someone has his phone number.

As I remember, Horus said to leave it alone regarding his video, if the anti-Whites were not biting. He didn't want to scare the journalists off, as what he was doing was intended to fly in under their radar.

Well there is nothing sneaky about the Mantra and the anti-Whites are biting. Just my opinion. :)

Hey, thanks so much, this totally clears it up for me. At last I understand what exactly I did wrong back then!

Yes, very different situations!

But I'll leave up my post on SF telling THEM not to post there! Hey, how's that for clear-headed thinking? :D

"But I'll leave up my post on SF telling THEM not to post there! Hey, how's that for clear-headed thinking?"

Telling Whites they can't do something, is like waving a red flag at a bull. I expect the Jewaholics will be all over it now. lol

I see. I think I get it now. Your idea of politeness is me taking a verbal beating from any BUGSter, including any label or name they want to attach to me, and just rolling over. That would be polite on my end, but it doesn't solve your problem with the board, does it?

All this simply for exercising free thought and expanding on STOPPiNG white genocide. Aha. Perhaps you're right. There is no place for me on this blog anymore. You're doing grrreat!

Auf wiederhoren!